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ty82xile
Member since Oct 2017
5 posts
Subject: Simple tool to write pdf documents
Since we are supposed to hand pdf documents as assignments, I want to share this video with you guys. I honestly used LaTeX for the second assignment. But I consider it to be too overpowered. groff seems to be a very nice solution, so maybe one of you will also use it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8EKH_fjmXA
Jazzpirate
Member since Oct 2016
770 posts
+2 Cauca, LasagneAlForno
Looks reasonable, but I should use this to interject that:
1. knowing latex is an extremely useful skill,
2. if you want to stay in academia, knowing latex is essential even,
3. As a computer science student, you're pretty much expected to know latex,
4. doing your homework with latex is a great opportunity to learn and practice. (Seriously, that's how I basically learned 90% of the commands I have now perfectly memorized)

(I still appreciate your recommendation, as not all students know latex already and to start learning WHILE having a deadline is quite demanding. Just wanted to get that out there ^^)
Jonas S
Member since Jul 2016
84 posts
Adding to Jazzpirate's interjections:
5.
But I consider it to be too overpowered.
How is LaTeX too overpowered? Or more specifically why does that matter? It's not like you are writing tens of pages and it might take a while to compile your document. Since the assignments are usually very short (few pages), the compilation should be almost instantly, even on older CPUs.

6. Since Luke is a linguist, he does not typeset math and does not explain how to typeset math in groff, which means you would have to figure it out by yourself (Same with tables, graphs, etc.).
This is a major disadvantage, since (I think) many students here know how to do it in LaTeX.
yq53ykyr
Member since Oct 2016
84 posts
Quote by Jonas S:
6. Since Luke is a linguist, he does not typeset math and does not explain how to typeset math in groff, which means you would have to figure it out by yourself (Same with tables, graphs, etc.).
This is a major disadvantage, since (I think) many students here know how to do it in LaTeX.
Just to give my two cents to this conversation ...
What I can read out of the documentations of troff (and the dozen other preprocessors) typesetting tables, equations or graphs is quite time-consuming and in my opinion unintuitive. Basically you'd have to learn a new language for either of these tasks as for drawing you'll need pic (which is a language), for creating tables you'll need tbl and for equations you'll need eqn. (OK, these are not "real" languages but rather extensions but still not as friendly as LaTeX code to create tables).
It was nice to have in times where there was only TeX or PostScript – which is not so easy – but when you can do nearly anything with not much of LaTeX code I think groff/troff is quite "underpowered" and not very friendly to beginners. And that you still cannot (as far as I understood) export directly to PDF but to PS can be quite horrendous.

In case anyone is interested in "learning" pic or the rest here are a few links:
Tbl  : http://www.kohala.com/start/troff/v7man/tbl/tbl.ps
Pic  : http://www.kohala.com/start/troff/cstr116.ps
Eqn : http://www.zen89632.zen.co.uk/Groff/Eqn/eqnguide.pdf
ty82xile
Member since Oct 2017
5 posts
If you watch the next video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp0qgpeG6EY

The only thing, that is missing is refering to equations, right?

And that you still cannot (as far as I understood) export directly to PDF but to PS can be quite horrendous.

Actually you can do so by just adding -Tpdf to the command.
rappatoni
Member since Nov 2018
25 posts
Subject: A random thought.
+3 Nash, Jazzpirate, Marcel[Inf]
In case you are using LaTeX a very useful tool is http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html.
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